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…Everybody, Mouin. Faster. You’re contradicting yourself. On the one hand, you’re saying all the Palestinians do is fight and violence and terrorism and all the rest of it, but on the other hand, you’re saying they’re expecting salvation from UN resolutions and international court. Those aren’t violent. It’s the law. No, but it’s part of maintaining- It’s the law. It’s the continual putting off of negotiating any solution. [inaudible 04:23:06]. They’ve negotiated. As in when Arafat takes 10 days to respond- I think he said- When Arafat takes 10 days to respond and hops on a jet all over the world to go and visit his friends, yes. I think Mouin said- But it’s for putting the conflict off indefinitely. … they accepted two states in 1975. Brace yourself. They didn’t. Why didn’t they accept the Taba Summit then? Brace yourself. That’s 50 years ago. Why didn’t they accept the Camp David [inaudible 04:23:19]? This is a legend. That’s a half-century ago. No, no, they didn’t accept a two-state solution [inaudible 04:23:26]. He quoted a very good article [inaudible 04:23:28]. You can quote Arafat talking about how he’s lying and he’s just going to use… In ’94 and ’95 when he’s making trips around the world, how he just wanted [inaudible 04:23:35] starting ground. Talk faster. Talk faster. I’m sorry. I can’t talk slow. You can watch [inaudible 04:23:38] and slow it down to 0.5 speed if you don’t understand what I’m saying. Faster. Faster. There’s a very lengthy history- Motor mouth. … of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. You want to deny that those negotiations took place. Where it feels like there was a good-faith effort- What it feels like. Where there was a good-faith effort- Feels like. Where there was a good-faith effort- We have a written record. With all due respect- We have a written record, Mr. Bonnell. Mr. Pop History, you can’t even read the written records. I don’t know why you’re referring to them. Okay. Excuse me? I just said there are 15,000 pages on Annapolis. And I’m sure you cherry-picked your favorite quotes from all of them. Okay. I don’t cherry-pick. That’s great. That’s great. Mr. Bonnell, at least I had a quote to cherry-pick. That’s great. [inaudible 04:24:12]. All you have is Wikipedia. I gave you quotes. All you have is Wikipedia. Do you want quotes? Find me the information that shows the Palestinian cause has been furthered by any international law. You can’t do it. I think the problem is different. Okay. You want to say the Palestinians were only fighting. And then when I point out they’ve also gone to the court and the UN, you say, “Well, all they do then is these things and they should be negotiating.” And I demonstrate that there was a lengthy record of negotiations. You said, “Yeah, but they didn’t go in good faith.” Again, you’re placing the hamster in the wheel and telling him if he runs fast enough, maybe one day he’ll get out of the cage. What was the best good-faith negotiation on the side of the- ood faith.” Again, you’re placing the hamster in the wheel and telling him if he runs fast enough, maybe one day he’ll get out of the cage. What was the best good-faith negotiation on the side of the- Okay. Please, if I could just finish. I think the fundamental problem here is not what the Palestinians have and haven’t done, and it’s perfectly legitimate to have a discussion about whether they could have been more effective. Of course, they could have been more effective. Everyone could have always been more effective. The fundamental issue here is that Israel has never been prepared to concede the legitimacy of Palestinian national rights in the land of the former British mandate of Palestine. Then how do you explain Taba Summit? How do you explain Camp David? No, Barack and Olmert did accept the legitimacy- How do you explain Olmert’s offer to Abbas? Yeah. … of Palestinian demands. But they didn’t want to give the Palestinians all of Palestine, that’s all. No, all of Palestine? No, no. You mean all of the occupied territories? You’re talking about all of Palestine being occupied territory? Wait. What is the occupied territories? Professor Morris. The occupied territories- Is that all of Israel? Professor Morris, could you show me- The occupied territories are those territories that Israel occupied in June of 1967. Could you show me- Palestinians often use that term to define the whole of Palestine, not just the West Bank. Could you show me, Professor Morris, in all the negotiations, all the negotiations and all the accounts that have been written, can you show me one where the Palestinians in the negotiations, because that’s what we were talking about, wanted all of Israel? The maximum- They can’t say that because the international community won’t accept it. Oh, so you know it because you know what- So they didn’t say it. They didn’t ask for it. … but you know what’s in their hearts. No, Hamas did. Hamas always said all of it. Hamas only negotiated with Israel about prisoner exchanges [inaudible 04:26:36]. No, I know. But they represent- So we were talking about the negotiations. … a lot of the Palestinian people, you will agree. The only place I saw pieces of Israel were the land swaps, and the land swaps accounted for about 2-5% of Israel. Nobody asked for all of Israel. Why do you say things like that? What do you mean? They asked for all of Israel in ’48. They asked for all of Israel in ’67. What do you think those reports were about? Okay. Mr. Bonnell, you talk so- You’re not going to respond to anything I’m saying because you have no answer. I’ll respond to you. Okay. Mr. Bonnell, we were talking about the diplomatic negotiations beginning with 2001. Yes, I understand, but you can’t pretend that the first ask for Israel was in diplomacy. It was through war. Okay. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Is the international law argument ever going to get the Palestinians closer to state? Is the Israeli state ever going to be dismantled? Do you think that’s realistic coming up, ever, in the next 20 years?…

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