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28 Oct 2025 Conversations with Tyler Jonny Steinberg on South African Crime and Punishment, the Mandelas' Marriage, and the Post-Apartheid Era
“I really, really wouldn’t miss anywhere in South Africa because I was afraid of crime.”
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- Jonny Steinberg
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- 28 Oct 2025
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- Conversations with Tyler
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…And I should stay in the suburbs or in the center city? How do I do that? I think you should stay in the suburbs, but not too far out. Johannesburg is urban sprawl, and you don’t want to be in the midst of the sprawl. You want to be in one of the suburbs just to the north or the west of downtown, which makes you pretty central. You can pretty much go to wherever is interesting within a 20-, 25-minute Uber ride. That’s where I’d stay. I definitely wouldn’t miss Johannesburg. I really, really wouldn’t miss anywhere in South Africa because I was afraid of crime. Crime is zoned. It is ghettoed. There are ways to move around quite safely if one doesn’t do anything stupid. Now, you mentioned the biography of Rhodes, but just to close, I will ask, what else do you think of yourself as doing over the next — I don’t know — 10, 15 years? You’re young, you’re very productive. What else?…
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