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Published · transcript-backedDiane Penn: prediction
26 Jul 2026 Lenny's Podcast Anthropic’s first technical PM on token maxing, the jagged edge, and living in the future | Dianne Penn
“I think the product question and how we interact with these internally is, I think as you mentioned, as frontier models become more capable, the safeguards and the ways of red teaming and testing and the pre-release process also needs to evolve and adapt quickly to address that.”
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…And also, yeah, everything heading in a direction that all is cohesive and makes sense versus just ambitious in a completely different direction. Speaking of ambition and Claude 8, Fable/Mythos recently feels like hit this very new tipping point with models where it used to be you have an awesome model, release it. Hey everyone, welcome. Opus 4.5 is out. Everyone can use it. Mythos went in a very different direction. We got blocked. There was a lot of scrutiny, a lot of concern about what it was capable of. All the companies had to go make sure it wasn't going to hack into all their systems. And it feels like now every model, because they continue to get better, will now have a lot more scrutiny and there'll be more restrictions on who can use them, which feels like a big deal. How do you think about that? How does that change the way you operate? I'm going to maybe leave the policy and the export control side to folks on that and work on that. I think the product question and how we interact with these internally is, I think as you mentioned, as frontier models become more capable, the safeguards and the ways of red teaming and testing and the pre-release process also needs to evolve and adapt quickly to address that. And so one example is before Fable models, we didn't have as strong of, let's say, fallback UXs and systems because our goal was to make sure that there is asymmetrical benefit for this technology and to minimize the downside or a severe risk of it. And so we ended up building fallback systems so that users will still get a great response from Opus 4.A immediately. And so I think there's a piece around as we evolve and improve safety systems, how do we continue to develop and deliver great user experiences? I think there's more that we can do on both sides. And so you'll see us innovating, improving on what we call now the model safeguards package more and more in the coming weeks and month. What's really interesting and just unexpected here is it creates this really interesting advantage for Anthropic where you have access to the latest stuff. And this is going to happen at every lab. Everyone's going to keep improving and it creates this unfair advantage within the Labs to have access to the best stuff that other people can't yet outside of your control. You'd prefer everyone use it. So it's a really interesting, this new feedback loop that's going to start where models that are so advanced are only accessible to certain companies, and that's going to be a whole new unexpected, it's like a second order effect of all these restrictions.…
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