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7 Dec 2025 Lenny's Podcast The 100-person AI lab that became Anthropic and Google's secret weapon | Edwin Chen (Surge AI)

“I think people don't realize how much it's going to make your systems unmaintainable in the long-term and they simply dump this code into their code bases if this seems to work out right now, so I kind of worry about the future of coding.”

— Edwin Chen

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Edwin Chen
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7 Dec 2025
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Lenny's Podcast

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…Kind of another question along these lines, what do you think is most under-hyped in AI that you think maybe people aren't talking enough about that is really cool? And what do you think is over-hyped? So I think one of the things that's under-hyped is the built-in products that all of the chatbots are going to start having. I've always been a huge fan of Claude's artifacts. And I think it just works really well. And actually the other day, I don't know if it's a new feature or not, but it asked me to help me create an email, and then it just created... So it didn't quite work because it didn't allow me to send the email. But what it created instead was like a little, I don't know what we call it, like a little box where I could click on it and it would just text someone that did this message. And I think that concept of taking artifacts to the next level where you just have these mini apps, mini UIs within the chatbots themselves, I feel like people aren't talking enough about that. So I think that that's one under-hyped area. And in terms of over-hyped areas, I definitely think that vibe coding is over-hyped. I think people don't realize how much it's going to make your systems unmaintainable in the long-term and they simply dump this code into their code bases if this seems to work out right now, so I kind of worry about the future of coding. It's just going to keep on happening. These are amazing answers. On that first point, there's something I actually asked. I have the chief product officer of Anthropic and OpenAI, Kevin Weil and Mike Krieger on the podcast, and I asked them just like, "As a product team, you have this gigabrain intelligence. How long do you even need product teams?" You think this AI will just create the product for you. "Here's what I want." It's like the next level of vibe coding. It's just like tell it, "Here's what I want," and it's just building the product and involving the product as you're using it. And it feels like that's what you're describing is where we might be heading.…

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