Evidence receipt / evaluation
Published · transcript-backedDiane Penn: evaluation
26 Jul 2026 Lenny's Podcast Anthropic’s first technical PM on token maxing, the jagged edge, and living in the future | Dianne Penn
“I think one example is I think you think of a product manager as I own product strategy and delivering user value, but I demonstrate day-to-day by writing a PRD or writing a product vision doc.”
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- 26 Jul 2026
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…Is there an example of that? A lot of people hear first principles thinking, they're like, "Yes, I got it." I'm good at this. What's an example of someone having really demonstrated really good first principles thinking? I think one example is I think you think of a product manager as I own product strategy and delivering user value, but I demonstrate day-to-day by writing a PRD or writing a product vision doc. And for my team as research product managers, the way to drive user value is to figure out the right user feedback, the evals that then can be a personification of that user need. So we do write some product documents and PRDs, but we actually have a saying on the team of evals are the new PRDs. Because in order to deliver that user value, it's not that exact artifact that people used to write in the last one to two decades. It's a new way of working. And so the first principles thinking would be, let me figure out what is the thing I should do to achieve my goals, rather than here is a set of activities that I've done and therefore I will continue to do. So the idea here used to be have an idea, create a PRD, talk to people about it, align on the plan, design it, build it, ship it, see how it goes, iterate. What I'm hearing here is it's like, okay, here's some feedback about something that's wrong or an opportunity. Step one is the eval is now how you define what the work is versus a PRD.…
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