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Lenny Rachitsky: uncertainty

15 Jun 2025 Lenny's Podcast How to build a team that can “take a punch”: A playbook for building resilient, high-performing teams | Hilary Gridley (Head of Core Product, Whoop)

“I'm thinking about how to use that, I don't know, mode for other use cases, like the ghost version of something to motivate you essentially.”

— Lenny Rachitsky

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Lenny Rachitsky
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Recorded
15 Jun 2025
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Lenny's Podcast

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…I love my Zwift. It's like a program that you can hook up a smart trainer to for an indoor cycling situation. And you kind of bike around like you're in Mario Kart and you're sort of in these virtual worlds biking with other people. It's I think for very serious cyclists, I'm not a very serious cyclist. For me, it's been amazing as somebody who actually really struggles to find time to exercise. They have, speak of reward loops, they have one of the most amazing reward loops, which is you're biking along and you get into this track and a ghost of your previous self breaks out from you and starts racing alongside you at your personal best for that track. And you have to beat your personal self, or you have to beat this ghost version of yourself. And nothing has ever motivated me more in my life than past Hilary being like, "I'm coming for you." And I'm like... I don't get that competitive with other people, but past Hilary comes for me and I'm like, "This, I can't let happen." So I think it's a great product. I'm thinking about how to use that, I don't know, mode for other use cases, like the ghost version of something to motivate you essentially. Interesting. I've been in so many product meetings where I'm like, "Can we make a ghost version of yourself?" [inaudible 01:49:21]…

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