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31 Oct 2023 Dwarkesh Podcast Paul Christiano — Preventing an AI takeover
“You think you can understand or control such systems, but I think in practice, a significant part is going to be like you are doing the calculus, or people deploying systems are doing the calculus as they do today, in many cases, overtly of like, look, these systems are not very well controlled or understood.”
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…So how much better a situation would we be in if there was only one group that was pursuing AI. No other countries, no other companies. Basically, how much of the expected value is lost from the dynamics that are likely to come about because other people will be developing and deploying these systems? Yeah. So I guess this brings you to a third part of the way in which competitive dynamics are relevant. So there's both the question of can you turn off AI systems in response to something bad happening where competitive dynamics may make it hard to turn off. There's a further question of just like, why were you deploying systems for which you had very little ability to control or understand those systems? And again, it's possible you just don't understand what's going on. You think you can understand or control such systems, but I think in practice, a significant part is going to be like you are doing the calculus, or people deploying systems are doing the calculus as they do today, in many cases, overtly of like, look, these systems are not very well controlled or understood. There's some chance of something going wrong, or at least going wrong if we continue down this path. But other people are developing the technology potentially in even more reckless ways. So in addition to competition making it difficult to shut down AI systems in the event of a catastrophe, I also think it's just like the easiest way that people end up pushing relatively quickly or moving quickly ahead on a technology where they feel kind of bad about understandability or controllability. That could be economic competition or military competition or whatever. So I kind of think ultimately most of the harm comes from the fact that lots of people can develop AI. How hard is a takeover of the government or something from an AI. Even if it doesn't have killer robots, but just a thing that you can't kill off if it has seeds elsewhere, can easily replicate, can think a lot and think fast. What is the minimum viable coup for? Is it just like threatening biowar or something or shutting off the grid how we use it basically to take over human civilization?…
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