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2 Jan 2025 Lenny's Podcast Inside Gong: How teams work with design partners, their pod structure, autonomy, trust, and more | Eilon Reshef (co-founder and CPO)
“I call it the spiral because it's going in circles around the target, and eventually you feel like, well, I'm hearing the same thing again and again, and you're like, well, if I heard it from three people, I didn't learn anything new, I'm at the bullseye.”
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…Awesome. Okay, a couple more things I want to touch on. One is the spiral model. So, you mentioned that you just went to learn deep learning on your own, you went off to the side, I'm going to understand this new thing that everyone's talking about, deep learning, and you got really smart in machine learning, basically, really quickly, and you have this thing you call the spiral model or the spiral method for how to learn something complex quickly. You wrote a Medium post about this, or blog post. What is the spiral method, how does it work, how do people learn things really quickly that are really complicated? Yeah. I think it's even beyond just the speed, but also how do you even know that you actually learned it. So, there is a mathematical, or not... Physical concept called annealing, which is how certain material becomes the way it is, and it's sort of the temperature goes slightly down and eventually become crystal or whatnot. There is an element to this I think in learning as well, which is, you want to know what deep learning is, you know nothing, you go find the person next to you and you're like, what is deep learning? They tell you something, of course you don't know anything, you just heard it from one person, and the next question you should ask, who else should I be speaking with? They give you three other names... I think in tech we all tend to be, have this very, very kind cool ecosystem, people who are willing to help as long as you don't ask too much of them. So, then you speak with three other people, and then they give you other names and you sort of go around. And ideally at some stage you feel like the first person you have no idea what they're talking about, you probably didn't even understand what they're saying, the fifth person you might understand 50%, or 50% is new, at some stage you're going to feel like, well new stuff is 10%, or 5%, or 0%... I call it the spiral because it's going in circles around the target, and eventually you feel like, well, I'm hearing the same thing again and again, and you're like, well, if I heard it from three people, I didn't learn anything new, I'm at the bullseye. Of course, at the level I am, so I'm never going to be a deep learning specialist in the same way that true data scientists are, but as a product manager, I know it probably as well as I can, given that everybody I'd spoken with at the time was not giving anything new at the level that I had desired at this time. I love that. Is there anything you've been studying recently that you've either used this method for or something else you're excited about learning that's new or on the cutting edge?…
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