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28 Oct 2025 Conversations with Tyler Jonny Steinberg on South African Crime and Punishment, the Mandelas' Marriage, and the Post-Apartheid Era

“Young people legitimately ask what sort of deal he made in the early 1990s and whether it was the right one and whether it worked.”

— Jonny Steinberg

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Jonny Steinberg
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28 Oct 2025
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Conversations with Tyler

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…It surprised me in India how much in recent times, there’s been a move away from the heritage of Gandhi and simply assuming everything connected with Gandhi must be good. To what extent is something like that going on in South Africa with the Mandelas, either or both of them? It’s very much happening. Many educated middle-class young Black people have really quite decisively turned their back on Nelson Mandela. He’s associated with 30 years of ANC rule, which have not gone especially well. Young people legitimately ask what sort of deal he made in the early 1990s and whether it was the right one and whether it worked. He’s very, very much out of fashion among young people. Winnie also, but perhaps less so. There’s a middle-class populist constituency for radical politics in South Africa, and they take her as a lodestar. They take her as a proponent of a violent revolution that ought to have happened that never did. I don’t think that there are a huge amount of people, but they’re vocal and there are a fair number of them. What did go wrong with the ANC?…

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