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Published · transcript-backedTony Fadell: belief
7 Jun 2026 Lenny's Podcast Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell
“Absolutely. And the thing is, I think we're starting to see that, the cracks of it might be more than cracks now, with OpenAI.”
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- Tony Fadell
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- 7 Jun 2026
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- Lenny's Podcast
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…So I think one of the core takeaways from what you shared here is even if you may have the perfect product, the marketing may be the gap that if something isn't working, it may- Absolutely. And the thing is, I think we're starting to see that, the cracks of it might be more than cracks now, with OpenAI. What is it? It's like, oh, it's your answer machine, whatever you're like, "Well, what does it do for me? And now I got to keep paying you. It was fun as the demo, but what am I using it for every day? And, oh, Claude, it does Claude code and it does code." And then what happens OpenAI is like, oh, "We have Codex now. But then they were Sora, and they were this and they were that. We're going to do sex chat." What are you? And so it's like, "Oh yeah, you're the great first Netscape. Everyone went out and bought Netscape Explorer or whatever it was called, Netscape Navigator. Navigator.…
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