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Henry Oliver: belief

4 Mar 2026 Conversations with Tyler Henry Oliver on Measure for Measure, Late Bloomers, and the Smartest Writers in English

“I don’t think Shakespeare, at this point, is using “prayed” and “kneeled” to mean anything other than what is literally being said. I think she is an image of virtue.”

— Henry Oliver

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Henry Oliver
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belief
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4 Mar 2026
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Conversations with Tyler

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…Which is a metaphor used in the play itself. I think it’s a double meaning, and we’re supposed to wonder if she is not, in fact, a highly effective seducer. We’re supposed to wonder, but Shakespeare is giving her the opportunity to rephrase it all. I don’t think Shakespeare, at this point, is using “prayed” and “kneeled” to mean anything other than what is literally being said. I think she is an image of virtue. This is what the Duke said: “If you can’t take your virtue forth like a light, there’s no point having it.” That’s what she’s done the whole play. “The vile conclusion I now begin with grief and shame to utter: He would not, but by gift of my chaste body to his concupiscible intemperate lust, release my brother; and, after much debatement, my sisterly remorse confutes mine honour, and I did yield to him.” That is a reference to the argument that they were having when he backed her into a corner, and she had to admit that there was an inconsistency in her position. I think that’s act 2, scene 2. She had to yield the premise of his argument. I don’t think there’s any sense in which Shakespeare has done anything other than lead us to believe that— What follows, though, is the word “but.” “But the next morning . . . he sends a warrant for my poor brother’s head.” So, she’s implying she did her part of the trade. Again, I admit it’s not clear.…

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