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Lenny Rachitsky: belief

27 Jul 2023 Lenny's Podcast The ultimate guide to A/B testing | Ronny Kohavi (Airbnb, Microsoft, Amazon)

“There's this holy grail of experiments that I think people are always looking for of one hour of work and it creates this massive result.”

— Lenny Rachitsky

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Lenny Rachitsky
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belief
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27 Jul 2023
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Lenny's Podcast

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…And by the way, I don't know if you know the history of this, but I tell about this in class. We did this experiment way back around 2008 I think. And so this predates Airbnb. I remember it was heavily debated. Why would you open something in a new tab? The users didn't ask for it. It was a lot of pushback from the designers. And we ran that experiment. And again, it was one of these highly surprising results that made it that we learned so much from it. So we first did this. It was done in the UK for opening Hotmail, and then we moved it to MSN, so it would open search in new tab, and all the set of experiments were highly, highly beneficial. We published this. And I have to tell you, when I came to Airbnb, I talked to our joint friend Ricardo about this. And it was sort of done, it was very beneficial, and then it was semi forgotten, which is one of the things you learned about institutional memories. When you have winners, make sure to address them and remember them. So it was at Airbnb done for a long time before I joined that listings opened in a new tab, but other things that were designed in the future were not done. And I reintroduced this to the team, and we saw big improvements. Shout out to Ricardo, our mutual friend who helped make this conversation happen. There's this holy grail of experiments that I think people are always looking for of one hour of work and it creates this massive result. I imagine this is very rare, and don't expect this to happen. I guess in your experience, how often do you find one of these gold nuggets just lying around? Yeah. So again, this is a topic that's near and dear to my heart. Everybody wants these amazing results, and I show them in chapter one in my book, multiple of these small efforts, huge gain. But as you said, they're very rare. I think most of the time, the winnings are made this inch by inch. And there's a graph that I show in my book, a real graph of how Bing ads has managed to improve the revenue per a thousand searches over time, and every month you can see a small improvement and a small improvement. Sometimes the degradation because of legal reasons or other things. There were some concern that we were not marking the ads properly. So you have to suddenly do something that you know is going to hurt revenue. But yes, I think most results are inch by inch. You improve small amounts, lots of them. I think that the best example that I can say is a couple of them that I can speak about. One is at Bing, the relevance team, hundreds of people all working to improve bing relevance. They have a metric, we'll talk about OEC, the overall evaluation criterion. But they have a metric that their goal is to improve it by 2% every year. It's a small amount, and that 2% you can see here's a 0.1, and here's a 0.15, here's a 0.2, and then they add up to around 2% every year, which is amazing. Another example that I am allowed to speak about from Airbnb is the fact that we ran some 250 experiments in my tenure there in search relevance. And again, small improvements added up. So this became overall a 6% improvement to revenue. So when you think about 6%, it's a big number, but it came out not of one idea, but many, many smaller ideas that each gave you a small gain. And in fact, again, there's another number I'm allowed to say. Of these experiments, 92% failed to improve the metric that we were trying to move. So only 8% of our ideas actually were successful at moving the key metrics.…

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