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Dario Amodei: uncertainty

11 Nov 2024 Lex Fridman Podcast #452 – Dario Amodei: Anthropic CEO on Claude, AGI & the Future of AI & Humanity

“If you say, “Well, I don’t know, we’re starting to get to PhD level, and last year we were at undergraduate level, and the year before we were at the level of a high school student,” again, you can quibble with what tasks and for what.”

— Dario Amodei

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Dario Amodei
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uncertainty
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11 Nov 2024
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Lex Fridman Podcast

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…If you extrapolate the curves that we’ve had so far, right? If you say, “Well, I don’t know, we’re starting to get to PhD level, and last year we were at undergraduate level, and the year before we were at the level of a high school student,” again, you can quibble with what tasks and for what. “We’re still missing modalities, but those are being added,” like computer use was added, like image generation has been added. If you just kind of eyeball the rate at which these capabilities are increasing, it does make you think that we’ll get there by 2026 or 2027. I think there are still worlds where it doesn’t happen in 100 years. The number of those worlds is rapidly decreasing. We are rapidly running out of truly convincing blockers, truly compelling reasons why this will not happen in the next few years. The scale-up is very quick. We do this today, we make a model, and then we deploy thousands, maybe tens of thousands of instances of it. I think by the time, certainly within two to three years, whether we have these super powerful AIs or not, clusters are going to get to the size where you’ll be able to deploy millions of these. I am optimistic about meaning. I worry about economics and the concentration of power. That’s actually what I worry about more, the abuse of power. And AI increases the amount of power in the world. And if you concentrate that power and abuse that power, it can do immeasurable damage.…

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