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18 Sept 2024 Dwarkesh Podcast Daniel Yergin — Oil destroyed Hitler, fracking destroyed Putin

“Suddenly you had European politicians coming to the US to try and secure supplies of LNG because they were so worried about it.”

— Daniel Yergin

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Daniel Yergin
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18 Sept 2024
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…How mad are the frackers that they basically solved America's main geopolitical problem, but they were so successful that they've competed away their profits? That was a period up till about 2017, when it was growth for growth's sake. Then basically the financial community said, "Hey guys, the party's over. I'm not going to reward you for growth. I'm going to reward you for sending money back on my investment." So in a sense, shale is almost a mature industry. I think people don't understand how transformative it's been. The US was the world's largest importer of oil. We were only producing 5 million barrels a day of oil in 2008. Now we're more than 13.2 million barrels a day. The US is energy independent. People thought it was a big joke. It could never be energy independent. Every president said, "We want energy independence." Late night comedians could make fun of it. Actually, it's happened and it's had huge economic significance. Back in like 2008, the US was spending something like $400 billion a year to import oil. Now we basically spend nothing to import oil. It's been geopolitically very significant. That's been a learning experience for the Biden administration. It turns out that if it wasn't for shale gas made into what's called LNG, liquefied natural gas, shipped to Europe, Putin could well have shattered the coalition supporting Ukraine by using the energy weapon with, not oil, but gas. Suddenly you had European politicians coming to the US to try and secure supplies of LNG because they were so worried about it. It really is a revolution that is playing out today. China imports 75% of its oil. It wishes it was in our position. We're energy independent, but how far are we from a scenario where our allies, most notably Japan, are also energy independent?…

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