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3 May 2026 Lenny's Podcast Why cultivating agency matters more than cultivating skills in the AI era | Max Schoening (Head of Product, Notion)
“OpenCloud's such a good example. It's just like, I will build a skill for myself and now I know how to do this thing.”
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…Okay. This is maybe a hot take and I actually don't have enough ... It's very likely that the labs are like, "Ha ha, look at this guy." My take, it's very clear at least empirically that models are getting better at coding at some exponential rate. And I don't think that's changing. Now, I'm not that impressed with the progress in any other domain. It tends to be ... I don't think they've gotten significantly better at writing. I still very much hate reading AI slop writing. But the thing is software, Andreessen, software is eating the world. Well, if the cost of software and creating software and encoding business practices in code, and I just literally mean the old software 1.0 kind of code, then if that cost is very much going to zero, we will just have a lot more of it. And so I think then in that case, it's more that software engineering will go into all the other domains, not necessarily that there is some sort of ... Yeah, I don't know. Our folks in HR are automating a lot of things because now, they don't have to bug an engineering team to write that code. And so I think that's how it's going. And if you look at when the model companies say, "Oh, we've made great progress in this other non-coding domain," I was like, "You just applied coding principles to this domain, which is wonderful, but that's what it's getting better at." And so I just think software is eating the world is going to accelerate. That is a really interesting take. So it's basically software, just the acceleration of software eating the world versus it's like, it's going to now do a different kind of job. This makes me think about the head of product for Codex said the same thing that every agent, there's all these different kinds of agents and his take is every agent that will win is going to be a coding agent that builds the thing it needs versus it's come, it has certain number of capabilities. OpenCloud's such a good example. It's just like, I will build a skill for myself and now I know how to do this thing. Yes. All agents are also, if you look at all the harnesses, whether it's the open source ones or the ones from the model companies, ours as well, they all resemble a coding agent now.…
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