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Trenton Bricken: belief

28 Mar 2024 Dwarkesh Podcast Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken — How LLMs actually think

“The superhuman feature question is a very good one. I think we can attack it but we're gonna need to be persistent.”

— Trenton Bricken

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Speaker
Trenton Bricken
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belief
Recorded
28 Mar 2024
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

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…What are your unknown unknowns for superhuman models in terms of this kind of thing? What are the labels that are going to be things on which we can determine whether this thing is cool or a paperclip maximizer. We’ll see. The superhuman feature question is a very good one. I think we can attack it but we're gonna need to be persistent. The real hope here is automated interpretability. You could even have a debate set up where two different models are debating what the feature does and then they can actually go in and make edits and see if it fires or not or not. It is just this wonderful, closed environment that we can iterate on really quickly. That makes me optimistic. Do you worry about alignment succeeding too hard? I would not want either companies or governments, whoever ends up in charge of these AI systems, to have the level of fine-grained control we would have if your agenda succeeds, over AIs. Both for the ickiness of having this level of control over an autonomous mind and secondly, I just don't fucking trust these guys. I'm just kind of uncomfortable with, say, the loyalty feature being turned up. How much worry do you have about having too much control over the AIs? Not specifically you, but for whoever ends up in charge of these AI systems being able to lock in whatever they want.…

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