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Sahil Lavingia: belief

22 Apr 2025 Lenny's Podcast Announcing a brand-new podcast: “How I AI” with Claire Vo 🔥

“Maybe that's not actually what anyone would really do. This maybe even is a good example of something that, to your point, like I think AI has really good hygiene, engineer hygiene, where it is on a micro level, like it's a better engineer.”

— Sahil Lavingia

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Sahil Lavingia
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belief
Recorded
22 Apr 2025
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Lenny's Podcast

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…Okay. So you're showing the time-lapse of Devon here, which is basically a screen recording of every single step along the way. Right now you're in the terminal and the IDE. So you can actually replay step-by-step how Devon got all this code done. It looks like it has in here... you know, reasoning and thought and planning. Exactly. And then the part that I'm looking for, and hopefully it did it, is that it would run the app locally. And it often does this, but sometimes if you have a complex app, and we just open source this so that it may have broken, but it would actually run the browser in its little local box, and then it would test it. So let me ask it to do that. Run the browser. And it's awake, so it should pretty quickly start doing that. And this is Devin right here, Devin Box, Mr. Devin. And also we can watch it on this one, right? It's doing its little thing. So because I had used magical in quotes, it presumed that I wanted to call it magical. And you can see, we actually open sourced it recently. So it's working on an old repo, which is my guess of why it's not. working exactly right um so now there are two things i decided so you know replace this input the standard input with the type date with this new component that's definitely correct and then it uh created this uh this component where it goes through and it replaces it. So the thing that looks wrong here is it doesn't doesn't look like there's any AI magic. So some it's sort of making which maybe it doesn't need to maybe it's smart enough to know if I just type in today, tomorrow or yesterday, but You know, this probably wouldn't work if I said like three Sundays from now, but maybe that's fine. Maybe that's not actually what anyone would really do. This maybe even is a good example of something that, to your point, like I think AI has really good hygiene, engineer hygiene, where it is on a micro level, like it's a better engineer. than human engineer would be. So you have to spend more time on like the architecture and like the planning aspect of it, making sure your execution is correct, like calling it magical date picker, maybe it's not the correct approach. I would probably call it natural language date picker or something like that, because magical doesn't really give you any insight into what's magical about it. But besides that, my guess is like this code, this natural language, uh, is actually like probably really, really robust, really good. Uh, even this magical look, like check out the math on this guy, you know, like, well, pretty simple, but like, how long would it, you know, how many times would you have to tweak it to like, Oh, I, you know, like I got it wrong. This like fancy add days function. Like it's pretty, uh, pretty clever how it's doing how it's doing that. Find index, it's getting all you know, it's basically figuring out like, when you type next Monday, it's like three days, and you're adding the days to get to the right, right day in the calendar. And it's parsing the database. And it's like, that's like, this would be like a you know, two years ago, this would be like so impressive for like, there could be almost like an engineering challenge, you know, like I would hire an engineer based on this, which is now they would just go to chat GPT and be like, and yeah, e so impressive for like, there could be almost like an engineering challenge, you know, like I would hire an engineer based on this, which is now they would just go to chat GPT and be like, and yeah, it would, it would, it would work. So what you could do is to go back to the V zero, if you really wanted to enhance this, You know, you could just sort of take this component and they're actually working on a way to like embed it, you know, bring a component back into v0 and then you could like iterate on it. And the UX, like a designer could even do that with v0 and then you could then pull it back in to the code base. So you could kind of like do a lot of this like customer focus iteration, you know, on the... in a WYSIWYG way, basically, like Dreamweaver, you know, versus like, like in code. I mean, like this, you have to think so hard to understand like what, how do you improve the user experience looking at this, right? The amount of like brain power we're in, it just hurts my head.…

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