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Noam Shazeer: prediction

12 Feb 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer — 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

“I think definitely it should be good for things that require a lot of exploration, like, "Come up with the next breakthrough.”

— Noam Shazeer

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Noam Shazeer
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prediction
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12 Feb 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Can you talk more about that? What interface do you imagine we might need if you could literally have millions of employees you could spin up, hundreds of thousands of employees you could spin up on command, who are able to type incredibly fast, and who- It's almost like you go from 1930s trading of tickets or something to now modern Jane Street or something. You need some interface to keep track of all this that's going on, for the AIs to integrate into this big monorepo and leverage their own strengths, for humans to keep track of what's happening. Basically what is it like to be Jeff or Noam in three years working day-to-day? It might be kind of similar to what we have now because we already have sort of parallelization as a major issue. We have lots and lots of really, really brilliant machine learning researchers, and we want them to all work together and build AI. So actually, the parallelization among people might be similar to parallelization among machines. I think definitely it should be good for things that require a lot of exploration, like, "Come up with the next breakthrough. " If you have a brilliant idea that is just certain to work in the ML domain, then it has a 2% chance of working if you're brilliant. Mostly these things fail, but if you try 100 things or 1,000 things or a million things, then you might hit on something amazing. We have plenty of compute. Like modern top labs these days have probably a million times as much compute as it took to train Transformer. Yeah, actually, so that's a really interesting idea. Suppose in the world today there are on the order of 10,000 AI researchers in this community coming up with a breakthrough-…

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